Talk:Trademarks and copyright
trademarks: color coding
How are the non-colored registered trademarks not active anymore? What is the difference between red and pink? --Sugit (talk) 06:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
there are 3 types
- active (purple)
- opposed and cancelled (green)
- expired (white)
--Rudra (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
can we show the full text of books?
(... continued from Talk:Yoga As a Spontaneous Happening)
It most certainly would not fall under fair use to copy an entire book.
The alleged copyright owner will cite in court the effect this will have upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
In other words, their chance of selling a printed edition will diminish if the book is freely available in the wiki. Case closed.--Rudra (talk) 00:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
The case is not entirely closed just yet, but possibly still adjar. If I made an attempt to contact the copyright owner and got permission from them, it would not at all be a violation of copyright law. However if they decided to say no, the possible status of adjar would be closed until the copyright expired in another 35+ years. Would it be worth pursuing this effort for our own edification? Does anyone know if the copyright holder is still around or is the copyright orphaned? Swamisitar (talk) 02:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
to contact the copyright owner, you would first need to know who that is. ever since its inception, OIF claims to be the copyright owner, but has utterly failed to prove it. That would leave Osho's family as the rightful heirs to Osho's estate which of course includes the copyright of his spoken and written words. But i have not heard anyone of them claim any copyright.
so from my point of view, there is no copyright holder we could possibly contact and until this whole mess is once and for all settled in the courts, our hands are tied. i will not ask OIF for permission, cause they are not the copyright owners, but if we publish Osho's books they will HAVE to drag us to court, not just to defend their unproven claims, but also because they probably have sold exclusive printing rights to a lot of Osho's books claiming to have the right to do that and the publishers would be very unhappy if OIF would let us print these books.
and fyi copyright in most countries is now 70 years after the writer's death. --Rudra (talk) 05:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
I have a friend in India who know Osho's family. I will see if I can get in contact with him and find out if he can contact them to find out if they would consider pursuing claiming copyright ownership of the materials. Maybe they would consider allowing his works to become fully public domain. It's a long shot, but I figure maybe it's worth trying. Swamisitar (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
it would be great just to know what their position is. even that seems to be a mystery. they may not have any interest in the matter at all. and if they were to claim the copyright, they may have to face a long and very expensive battle in court. either way, it would be good to know. also, does anyone know, who of Osho's relations are still alive ? --Rudra (talk) 12:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
"They" may not have a unified position, as they are individuals. He has three surviving brothers i believe. Neeten is in contact with Nikalank, who has been one of Osho's principal archivists since childhood, but not a public figure. Shailendra IS a public figure, in the guru trade. Likely he and his collective (Oshodhara) have thought about it but declined to go for it. Amit was long in Publications in the commune / resort, may still be, he would likely not want the copyright to migrate. Osho's sisters are very not public figures, nothing known but probably all still alive not counting the one who died in childhood. -- doofus-9 17:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
re See also
Notwithstanding that Ozen's site credits "Ma Deva Sangeet" with the legal opinions, this is surely a mistake and should be Ma Prem Sangeet. -- doofus-9 07:17, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
you're right on both accounts, and i'm considering hosting her essay, but she may not want it on display anymore anyhow. i will contact her about that. --Rudra (talk) 12:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
a DMCA by OIF
Someone who defeated a DMCA by OIF
- The Streisand effect he mentions in the video.
--Rudra (talk) 01:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
re the Copyright table
i only want to list actual events of the years shown, ie when new copyright "owners" started their claims in public/books/magazines, when there were any important articles about copyright matters in mags or newspapers, when Osho commented on his copyright (NOT trademarks), when it got a mention in any courtcases even as a sideline.
but all this stuff needs to be properly dated and let us see a development over time. this is NOT meant to be a discussion or a collection of every article on the net talking about it. --Rudra (talk) 12:13, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I see a new line "Jul 13, 2018 As could be expected, the EOW are doing nothing.". To me, that seems tendentious. Better to substantiate why that can be expected, or leave it out. --Sugit (talk) 06:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Anando's take on the Will
- Ma Deva Anando, Osho's secretary and caretaker, writes in Osho: Intimate Glimpses, p.134:
- I understand that a supposed Will of Osho has surfaced in a court case in the last few years—some twenty-three years after Osho left the body. I am not familiar with all the facts, but it puzzles me. Clearly the signature on it was not from the date Osho supposedly signed it, as the signature is the same as his signature in the seventies, and when the Will was supposedly signed (1989) his signature was very different. You only have to look at the books he signed and dated in 1989 to see that. When challenged on this by handwriting experts, the people who produced the Will apparently admitted that it was a manufactured copy. 1 read in the newspaper that they claimed the original will had been torn up by Osho’s caretaker, Nirvano. However, Nirvano had moved out of Osho’s house, and the job of caring for him, more than nine months before the Will was supposedly made, so would not have had access to Osho’s room. Also, Osho’s caretakers and cleaner check his cupboard daily, and none of us ever saw any papers there. And if the Will had been somewhere else, then presumably it would have been noticed that it was torn up. Nirvano left her body more than a month before Osho, so if she did tear it up, there was plenty of time to create a new Will for Osho to sign.
