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:Osho Books on CD-ROM, or Osho Books Database, as it has become known among net sharers, is pretty much the most stupendous and awesome tool for finding specific words of Osho's there is and ever has been. Even now (2014), more than twenty years old, it still cannot be beat, though various forces are chipping away at it. Herewith a brief history and overview of its features, limitations, availability, errors (yes!) and missing titles, along with a space at bottom for questions and discussions.
On the main page there was under [[Osho Books on CD-ROM#availability|availability]] this sentence:
::Since 2015, a subset of appr. 200 of Osho's books can be searched and read on the [http://www.osho.com/iosho/library/library-search OIF website] free of charge. It is quite likely that more editing has been applied to the original Osho talks. The OIF online library is not meant to be used as a means to read Osho's books in a normal relaxed way and is constantly interrupted by prompts to discourage any kind of machine reading.
I have removed this as it is not about the CD-ROM. Maybe it should go somewhere else?  --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 07:42, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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=== History ===
yes, i just noticed this edit. i love your sense of precision. joy can come from the most unlikely places, even from a far away forgotten corner of a huge wiki ;)
:In the beginning was the word. And the word was ... Oops, wrong liturgy! In the beginning was the Silver Platter, as it was first known. Emerging digital technologies were opening up an amazing array of possibilities, which dovetailed nicely with the need to "organize" Osho's words and make them more accessible than ever. And so it came to pass that all of Osho's English books (including Hindi translations) were scanned and the images read and "translated" with new, primitive but adequate Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software into editable text.


:And this text could be put into one giant file, 100MB for 303 books, in which word searches could be carried out. And for such giant files, a special kind of search was needed, and so one came along to fill the bill. Folio VIP developed a kind of search that still has no equal, with tools that would allow finding words in proximity to each other (i.e. within paragraphs) and much much more. Subjects, themes, specific quotes, jokes, all findable in that mountain of books. Now it was Osho Books on CD-ROM.
we could put the OIF info into their publisher/company page ? note that all OIFs websites incl the library are run by [[Osho Media International Limited, Ireland]]
--[[User:Rudra|Rudra]] ([[User talk:Rudra|talk]]) 17:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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I think pages like [[Osho Media International Limited, Ireland]] are too much out of the way, they are very specific.


:A CD-ROM is of course just a generic device, but for sannyasins with access to it, this was THE CD-ROM, needing no qualifying or descriptive terms. Access was restricted to certain workers for some years but its desirability was immense and it was inevitable that copies started leaking out. Soon copies of copies spread far and wide and it was not long before they were being shared on the net. Disconnected from its physical body, a disc, it became known as the Osho Books Database, or just the Database.
I was rather thinking of a sister-page to [[Editing of sources]], like [[Availability of Osho's words]]. That can also be linked to from [[:Category:English Publications]].
 
There we can talk about the fact that much of Osho's words are not in print, where to find second hand books (like in the very good ISBN set-up). And of course about the texts on osho.com / oshoworld.com / the CD-ROM / Audio & video tapes / mp3s / mp4s etc etc. (Some parts of [[Editing of sources]] can go there too.)  --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 07:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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oh yes, much better.--[[User:Rudra|Rudra]] ([[User talk:Rudra|talk]]) 16:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hey, Sugit!


=== Features ===
''[[Bliss: Living Beyond Happiness and Misery]]'' available under title ''[[The Great Path]]''. So it needs to remove this title from Missing on CD-ROM. --DhyanAntar 06:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
: The uniqueness of Folio's search tools is likely less because of their technical genius and more just because the market for such software is fairly limited, so that even now it has not been much developed. The history above referred to proximity searches. The basic building block of this function is first grouping all the words into paragraph units, so that searching for two or more words at once finds all their occurrences in the same paragraph. Other giant file search services do this too, but Folio added Boolean and other search modes, "or," "not," exact quote, "wild card" modes and so on, and its pièce de résistance, a search for two words with a specified closeness, eg within six words of each other.
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Thanks! Done that. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 06:46, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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Corrected a link of ''[[A Bird on the Wing]]'' to ''[[Roots and Wings]]''. --DhyanAntar 14:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
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:Besides the variety of tools to refine searches, there is an excellent help section dealing with how to apply the tools specifically to Osho's words, and a well-organized set of appendices to assist in that application. Outside of their uses ancillary to the search tools, the appendices can be used directly by researchers as sources of information. One recent example in the wiki is at [[Talk:Who Is Progressive?]].
swapped ''[[A Bird on the Wing]]'' to ''[[Roots and Wings]]'' alltogether because what is on the CD-ROM is really ''[[Roots and Wings]]''.  --[[User:Rudra|Rudra]] ([[User talk:Rudra|talk]]) 03:18, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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:Another feature of the CD-ROM/Database is its treasure trove of unpublished books. These are books whose text has been through a rough edit but never went further than that to actual publication. There are sixteen such Darshan Diaries, six volumes of Last Testaments and a few other books, most of which will likely never be published. Thus this is the only form in which this significant portion of Osho's oeuvre is available anywhere. Ah, this!
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:The CD-ROM also introduced us to the Archive Code. The Archive Code is a 7-digit code to uniquely identify any lecture by its date and time of day it was spoken:
Why is there no section editing for this page? Lots of needless scrolling! -- doofus-9 17:11, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
::e.g. [[I Am the Gate]], lecture 1 is '''7104140''', i.e. 1971 April 14 morning,  
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::[[The Zen Manifesto]], lecture 11 is '''8904105''', i.e. 1989 April 10 evening.
:probably because we use the "book" template which looks like it breaks section editing.--[[User:Rudra|Rudra]] ([[User talk:Rudra|talk]]) 14:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
:The last digit represents the time of day, where morning = '''0''' and evening = '''5'''.
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::Okay, then there are two ways to go. The "simple" way is to not use the book template. The more complicated but ultimately more satisfying way would be to  fix the book template so that it allows section editing. That "breaks section editing" was introduced to deal with a problem in the template but it may not have been the ideal way, since with longish book pages -- and this is not the only one -- section editing would be handy. The problem it was trying to address was almost like a systemic glitch, whereby section editing appeared to be enabled but clicking on the purported "edit" link led to editing the "editions" sub-template itself. Surely there must be another way to deal with that and still allow section editing? -- doofus-9 16:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


=== Limitations ===
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:One obvious limitation is that it is only useful for searches in English. A Hindi equivalent may eventually happen but would require everything to be done more or less from scratch, both scanning and software. A related limitation in the English Database is that many titles have been translated from Hindi since the early 90s but have not been added. A list of such titles has been started below.


:And there are these technical limitations: From the very beginning, this marvel has only been available for computers using Windows, or with such shoehorn apps as allow Windows to run on Macs and other OS's. A more serious limitation has developed in the last five or so years whereby the newer versions of Windows will not run the Database at all. Win 7 32-bit and older will, Win 7 64-bit and newer will not. Is the Database on its way to the scrapheap of history?
As i understand in the errata section should not include all inconsistencies in dates and Archival Codes?  


:Negatory. There are signs that help is on the way. There are currents flowing. As before, it is too big to contain or stop, but the exact nature of the help that is being and will be developed to bring it back into use and accessibility by newer computers is not known. Stay tuned, and don't throw out those older machines just yet!
Here is an example, CD-ROM say in "Where are the Gandhians", ch.1: July 19th 1969 pm, Archive Code 0000000.


:And with the technical fixes / updates, who knows?, may come content updates, all the new Hindi translations and ... well, that OCR was never perfect, so there are more than a few typo-type mistakes to clean up. Lots to do on the never-ending journey to perfection!
I can leave the similar passes only for a spreadsheet in the field comments. Would you like to fit these omissions for wiki too, or not?--DhyanAntar 14:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


=== Availability ===
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: So, dude, where can this, like, totally excellent product be obtained, eh? It is said that the CD-ROM was available as an authorized commercial product briefly in 1994-95 but this was discontinued. (The text on the image of the CD-ROM seems to support this possibility.) So now there are the copies of copies and whatever can be found on the net. Open sharing via file-sharing sites was prevalent for a few years but seems to have been finally (2010?) squelched by the (claimed) copyright holder. But web hosting in some countries such as India and Russia is out of reach of copyright holders and so there is [http://www.oshorajneesh.com/osho-books-database-download.htm a site in India] where it can be downloaded. The site owner, [[Sw Rajneesh]], enjoys his image as an Osho rebel and is willing to bear the bandwidth costs, so this situation may persist for a while.


=== Errata ===
:How many of these inconsistencies are there? If not many, they could have a subsection of "errata". If many, their own section or page. It could all be in a table either way though and be clear at a glance that it is a special sub-topic. -- doofus-9 16:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
:Note that this is not intended to cover OCR "typos," as there are many and this is not our purview here. Also, in the early 90s there WAS an ongoing file being kept in Publications of all editing improvements needed for the next edition, relating to mistakes in the hard copy (plenty of them too, inevitable when you consider the pressures of putting out three new books a month). This errata section is for CD-ROM "admninistrative" errors.


*The third Appendix, "Listing of Titles to Minititles," sounds very bureaucratese without much wide application, but a wealth of information is actually there with clues relevant to all kinds of questions. And there are a few errors.
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:The minititles are used (optionally) in searches to limit searches to any one book or group of books. Beyond that, the appendix lists all known English titles, what type of book, and whether their text is included in the CD-ROM. A "Yes" in the last column is what indicates that. Several books have that "Yes" but are not actually in, because they are compilations of other books that ARE in. They are:
::''[[A Must For Contemplation Before Sleep]]''
::''[[A Must For Morning Contemplation]]''
::''[[At the Feet of the Master]]''
::''[[The Mind of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh]]''
: In addition, ''[[Finger Pointing to the Moon]]'' is actually in the CD-ROM, accessible in all the usual ways, but is not listed in this Appendix.


*[[God Is Not For Sale]]:
At the moment i find which are not yet in Wiki:
:For this Darshan diary, dates for the first twenty chapters are given correctly, with Chapter 20 on Oct 31. Chapters 21-26 are incorrectly dated from October 1, both as text and archive code. This should be November.
:(The Darshans in October, e.g. 7610015, were documented in [[The Great Nothing]].)


*[[The Psychology of the Esoteric]]:
::Case No.1: Archive Code has an year, and a date is empty at all - 54chapters.
:Dates of the chapters are wrong, they refer to the chapter numbers of [[The Inward Revolution]], which have a completely different order.
::Case No.2: Archive Code has also an month, and a date is empty at all - 10ch.
::Case No.3: Archive Code is completed, and a date is empty - 4ch. (likely 3 of them have unknown month and dates. 6700000-6700020)
::Case No.4: Archive Code is 0000000, and a date is empty - 2ch.
::Case No.5: Archive Code doesn't corresponds to a date of a discourse - 41 cases.


*[[The New Alchemy: To Turn You On]]:
They belong 22 books. I'd suggest to include to this page and after (if necessary) we can move them to better places. --DhyanAntar 18:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
:The CD-ROM says about this book:  
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::"Chapter 1 is called the ""Preface"" in the book, Chapters 2 - 17 correspond to Chapters 1 - 16 in the book.  Chapters 18 - 34 correspond to the Appendix of the book, 1 - 17."
Among the English media files, and apart from the 15 incorrect dates of [[The Eternal Quest]], I have 18 corrections of CD-ROM-ArchiveCodes. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 09:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:This is not correct: the chapter numbers on the CD-ROM correspond ''exactly'' to those in the book. But Osho's introductory lecture at the camp, which in the book is the ''preface'' (without chapter number), is in fact missing on the CD-ROM.
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:(Another discrepancy exists between the audio-tape series and the book. Tape-lecture 1 is the book's preface, lecture 2 is chapter 1, and the discrepancy continues until 7: tape-lecture 7 starts with book-chapter 6 and continues with book-chapter 7. From 8 the numbers are the same.)
I have some technical details of the CD-ROM, I'm not sure if they are useful here, it maybe helps if someone needs to check what version they have of the thing:


*CD-ROM-appendix "Listing of Discourse Series in Chronological Order":
:: CD Version 1
:Several dates are wrong, especially in the earlier series. Should be elaborated.
::: File dates: 7 Aug 1994
::: odd.nfo date: 9 Aug 1994 or 6 Jan 1995
::: odd.nfo size: 107,143,168
::: MD5: ad70e413ab3717362518eafc3e167f27


=== Missing on the CD-ROM ===
:: CD Version 1.01
:Here is a list of material from Osho that is missing on the CD-ROM  v.1.01 (the most complete version). So these are [[:Category:First Edition Series]] and [[:Category:Translated_First_Editions]] which are missing on the CD-ROM, and ''also unavailable under another title''. These are mostly Hindi books translated into English after 1994.
::: Label date: June 1994
::: File dates: 7 Aug 1994
::: odd.nfo date: 24 Feb 1995
::: odd.nfo size: 107,241,472


::[[Behind a Thousand Names]]
:: CD Version 2
::[[Flight of the Alone to the Alone]]
::: Label date:  
::[[Gita Darshan]]
::: File dates: 21 Apr 1995
::[[Gita Darshan, Vol 2]]
::: odd.nfo date: 21 Apr 1995
::[[Life Is a Soap Bubble]]
::: odd.nfo site: 99,811,328
::[[LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi]] (later published in [[The Great Challenge]], but heavily edited)
::[[Meditation: A New Dimension]] (later published in [[The Great Challenge]], but heavily edited)
::[[Pointing the Way]]
::[[Showering Without Clouds]]
::[[The Art of Living]]
::[[The Fabric of Life]]
::[[The Message Beyond Words]]
::[[The New Alchemy: To Turn You On]]'s Preface (actually is Osho's introductory discourse for the series)
::[[The Way Beyond Any Way]]
::[[There Is Utopia]]
::[[Towards the Unknown]]
::[[Work Is Love Made Visible]]


=== Discussion, Questions, etc ===
:: CD Version 2.x
:There was a note at the bottom about the second edition having removed "a handful of" Darshan Diaries. Would that be all 16 of the unpublished DD's? Or which ones exactly? Now the Last Testament mention is gone, presumably meaning that all of them are still in the second edition. In any case, any omission would make the second edition less valuable than the first. Which is i guess why it is the first which circulates on the net. -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 10:24, 11 September 2014 (PDT)
::: Label date:
::: File dates: 21 Apr 1995
::: odd.nfo date: 8 Aug 1995
::: odd.nfo size: 99,999,744
::: MD5: 54c0c9ab1fe5c19e9f7455b145844b20


--[[User:Jalal|Jalal]] ([[User talk:Jalal|talk]]) 17:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks Jalal, this may be useful for someone, somehow. Maybe we can put it on the main page with the different editions.
But let's check if we are talking about the same versions :
*Version 1: what is this "odd.nfo date: 9 Aug 1994 or 6 Jan 1995", so two dates?
*Version 1.01: you say "Label date: June 1994". What date is this exactly?  Because afaik on that V.1.01 (for us the main version as it is the most complete), when looking IN Folioview it says "December 1994", so that is what we wrote as the edition date.
*You say there is a Version 2 and one (or more?) Version 2.x. Can you tell the story about this? So far I only heard about that one V.2.0, and on the CD-ROM label it says "April 1995".
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 18:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Ah, good questions.
* Label date -- this is the date that was written on the CD label of the original production. Most copies wouldn't have this...
* File dates -- this is the date stamp of the files on the CD itself, it relates to the version of Folio Views that was used.
* odd.nfo date/size -- this is the actual data file containing all the books and indexes. It is on the CD and also as installed. The file date relates to when it was compiled (or created) from all the base texts. The size/MD5-sum are a way of identifying it uniquely.
* Versioning:
** V1 -- this was a first attempt, some things didn't work correctly. It was never produced beyond a few copies for checking. Two dates because it was attempted twice.
** V1.01  -- the main version. About a dozen copies were produced and distributed to each of the audio/video archive holders
** V2 -- with all the unpublished stuff removed. About a dozen copies made and offered to the archive holders as an 'upgrade' upon return of the V1.01 they had received. Some did, some didn't...
** V2.x -- memory is vague, but I think this was a slightly improved version that was never completed or published. I just have the one copy.
--[[User:Jalal|Jalal]] ([[User talk:Jalal|talk]]) 09:40, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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OK great.
*Do you have the MD5 hashes of the other two files?
*Can you confirm that odd.nfo size: 107,143,168 is identical for odd.nfo date: 9 Aug 1994 AND 6 Jan 1995 ?
*Do you want to be identifiable as the source of this info? If not, then we will erase the above once we have copied the info to the main page.
*I have added all the info th the main page, please have a critical look.
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 14:40, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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Yo sugit
* I've added the missing hashes to the page
* Yes, the file sizes are the same
* No problem with identifying me as the source. I've got a lot more info to add when I have time.
* The page is getting a little crowded, maybe break some of it out to a sub-page???
--[[User:Jalal|Jalal]] ([[User talk:Jalal|talk]]) 09:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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All super.  Yes, it's a long page, but it has a nice TOC at the top, so I think no problem.
I vaguely remember that years ago I tried to seduce you with wiki-questions, but you didn't have time. Would now be a good moment to unearth those questions? --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 09:58, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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go for it, i have (some) time and energy...
--[[User:Jalal|Jalal]] ([[User talk:Jalal|talk]]) 13:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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The assertion that the old version of Folio ran well up through Windoze 7 is based on the experience of a good friend, who ran it successfully on '95, '98, Vista and 7. And by that time it was well known in sannyasin discussion groups that it would run on 32-bit but not 64-bit Windows 7. -- doofus-9 07:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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i'm running Windows 11 (ARM) as a virtual PC on my Mac and in that i can run any old Windows junk software (i.e. 32-bit stuff) in "Compatibility Mode" without any problems. --Rudra 11:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Needs to be added to [[Osho_Books_on_CD-ROM#missing_on_the_CD-ROM|missing]] :
::''[[Just a Small Step]]''
(I couldn't do it because of "Internal Server Error")
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ok done now --[[User:Rudra|Rudra]] ([[User talk:Rudra|talk]]) 15:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:39, 18 February 2024

On the main page there was under availability this sentence:

Since 2015, a subset of appr. 200 of Osho's books can be searched and read on the OIF website free of charge. It is quite likely that more editing has been applied to the original Osho talks. The OIF online library is not meant to be used as a means to read Osho's books in a normal relaxed way and is constantly interrupted by prompts to discourage any kind of machine reading.

I have removed this as it is not about the CD-ROM. Maybe it should go somewhere else? --Sugit (talk) 07:42, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

yes, i just noticed this edit. i love your sense of precision. joy can come from the most unlikely places, even from a far away forgotten corner of a huge wiki ;)

we could put the OIF info into their publisher/company page ? note that all OIFs websites incl the library are run by Osho Media International Limited, Ireland --Rudra (talk) 17:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

I think pages like Osho Media International Limited, Ireland are too much out of the way, they are very specific.

I was rather thinking of a sister-page to Editing of sources, like Availability of Osho's words. That can also be linked to from Category:English Publications.

There we can talk about the fact that much of Osho's words are not in print, where to find second hand books (like in the very good ISBN set-up). And of course about the texts on osho.com / oshoworld.com / the CD-ROM / Audio & video tapes / mp3s / mp4s etc etc. (Some parts of Editing of sources can go there too.) --Sugit (talk) 07:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

oh yes, much better.--Rudra (talk) 16:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey, Sugit!

Bliss: Living Beyond Happiness and Misery available under title The Great Path. So it needs to remove this title from Missing on CD-ROM. --DhyanAntar 06:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Done that. --Sugit (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Corrected a link of A Bird on the Wing to Roots and Wings. --DhyanAntar 14:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

swapped A Bird on the Wing to Roots and Wings alltogether because what is on the CD-ROM is really Roots and Wings. --Rudra (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Why is there no section editing for this page? Lots of needless scrolling! -- doofus-9 17:11, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

probably because we use the "book" template which looks like it breaks section editing.--Rudra (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay, then there are two ways to go. The "simple" way is to not use the book template. The more complicated but ultimately more satisfying way would be to fix the book template so that it allows section editing. That "breaks section editing" was introduced to deal with a problem in the template but it may not have been the ideal way, since with longish book pages -- and this is not the only one -- section editing would be handy. The problem it was trying to address was almost like a systemic glitch, whereby section editing appeared to be enabled but clicking on the purported "edit" link led to editing the "editions" sub-template itself. Surely there must be another way to deal with that and still allow section editing? -- doofus-9 16:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

As i understand in the errata section should not include all inconsistencies in dates and Archival Codes?

Here is an example, CD-ROM say in "Where are the Gandhians", ch.1: July 19th 1969 pm, Archive Code 0000000.

I can leave the similar passes only for a spreadsheet in the field comments. Would you like to fit these omissions for wiki too, or not?--DhyanAntar 14:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

How many of these inconsistencies are there? If not many, they could have a subsection of "errata". If many, their own section or page. It could all be in a table either way though and be clear at a glance that it is a special sub-topic. -- doofus-9 16:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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At the moment i find which are not yet in Wiki:

Case No.1: Archive Code has an year, and a date is empty at all - 54chapters.
Case No.2: Archive Code has also an month, and a date is empty at all - 10ch.
Case No.3: Archive Code is completed, and a date is empty - 4ch. (likely 3 of them have unknown month and dates. 6700000-6700020)
Case No.4: Archive Code is 0000000, and a date is empty - 2ch.
Case No.5: Archive Code doesn't corresponds to a date of a discourse - 41 cases.

They belong 22 books. I'd suggest to include to this page and after (if necessary) we can move them to better places. --DhyanAntar 18:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Among the English media files, and apart from the 15 incorrect dates of The Eternal Quest, I have 18 corrections of CD-ROM-ArchiveCodes. --Sugit (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I have some technical details of the CD-ROM, I'm not sure if they are useful here, it maybe helps if someone needs to check what version they have of the thing:

CD Version 1
File dates: 7 Aug 1994
odd.nfo date: 9 Aug 1994 or 6 Jan 1995
odd.nfo size: 107,143,168
MD5: ad70e413ab3717362518eafc3e167f27
CD Version 1.01
Label date: June 1994
File dates: 7 Aug 1994
odd.nfo date: 24 Feb 1995
odd.nfo size: 107,241,472
CD Version 2
Label date:
File dates: 21 Apr 1995
odd.nfo date: 21 Apr 1995
odd.nfo site: 99,811,328
CD Version 2.x
Label date:
File dates: 21 Apr 1995
odd.nfo date: 8 Aug 1995
odd.nfo size: 99,999,744
MD5: 54c0c9ab1fe5c19e9f7455b145844b20

--Jalal (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Jalal, this may be useful for someone, somehow. Maybe we can put it on the main page with the different editions.

But let's check if we are talking about the same versions :

  • Version 1: what is this "odd.nfo date: 9 Aug 1994 or 6 Jan 1995", so two dates?
  • Version 1.01: you say "Label date: June 1994". What date is this exactly? Because afaik on that V.1.01 (for us the main version as it is the most complete), when looking IN Folioview it says "December 1994", so that is what we wrote as the edition date.
  • You say there is a Version 2 and one (or more?) Version 2.x. Can you tell the story about this? So far I only heard about that one V.2.0, and on the CD-ROM label it says "April 1995".

--Sugit (talk) 18:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Ah, good questions.

  • Label date -- this is the date that was written on the CD label of the original production. Most copies wouldn't have this...
  • File dates -- this is the date stamp of the files on the CD itself, it relates to the version of Folio Views that was used.
  • odd.nfo date/size -- this is the actual data file containing all the books and indexes. It is on the CD and also as installed. The file date relates to when it was compiled (or created) from all the base texts. The size/MD5-sum are a way of identifying it uniquely.
  • Versioning:
    • V1 -- this was a first attempt, some things didn't work correctly. It was never produced beyond a few copies for checking. Two dates because it was attempted twice.
    • V1.01 -- the main version. About a dozen copies were produced and distributed to each of the audio/video archive holders
    • V2 -- with all the unpublished stuff removed. About a dozen copies made and offered to the archive holders as an 'upgrade' upon return of the V1.01 they had received. Some did, some didn't...
    • V2.x -- memory is vague, but I think this was a slightly improved version that was never completed or published. I just have the one copy.

--Jalal (talk) 09:40, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

OK great.

  • Do you have the MD5 hashes of the other two files?
  • Can you confirm that odd.nfo size: 107,143,168 is identical for odd.nfo date: 9 Aug 1994 AND 6 Jan 1995 ?
  • Do you want to be identifiable as the source of this info? If not, then we will erase the above once we have copied the info to the main page.
  • I have added all the info th the main page, please have a critical look.

--Sugit (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Yo sugit

  • I've added the missing hashes to the page
  • Yes, the file sizes are the same
  • No problem with identifying me as the source. I've got a lot more info to add when I have time.
  • The page is getting a little crowded, maybe break some of it out to a sub-page???

--Jalal (talk) 09:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

All super. Yes, it's a long page, but it has a nice TOC at the top, so I think no problem.

I vaguely remember that years ago I tried to seduce you with wiki-questions, but you didn't have time. Would now be a good moment to unearth those questions? --Sugit (talk) 09:58, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

go for it, i have (some) time and energy... --Jalal (talk) 13:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

The assertion that the old version of Folio ran well up through Windoze 7 is based on the experience of a good friend, who ran it successfully on '95, '98, Vista and 7. And by that time it was well known in sannyasin discussion groups that it would run on 32-bit but not 64-bit Windows 7. -- doofus-9 07:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

i'm running Windows 11 (ARM) as a virtual PC on my Mac and in that i can run any old Windows junk software (i.e. 32-bit stuff) in "Compatibility Mode" without any problems. --Rudra 11:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Needs to be added to missing :

Just a Small Step

(I couldn't do it because of "Internal Server Error")

ok done now --Rudra (talk) 15:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


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