Talk:Glimpses of a Golden Childhood
Dates given for this book are fairly specific, Nov 1981 - Feb 1982, the most specific of any of the three "NO" books, but what is the source for that? The CD-ROM has all three in 1984 fwiw, but that may not be much either. (It says "from 1982" at the beginning of BIHL but for each chapter it indicates 1984, Lao Tzu Grove, Rajneeshpuram.) Parmartha says they all happened in late Pune One, inferred from then-present references to being in India in the text of Glimpses. And so on around the net.
I note that none of these three books has made it into a Timeline page, not even as a "sometime in 19xx". I am thinking to put them in the Unknowns page, possibly the only English originals and certainly the most recent of all the books there. What do people think of that? And what about a page linking the three books thematically? Would that be out of place? -- doofus-9 (talk) 19:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The info "Nov 1981 - Feb 1982" was entered by Rudra in when this page was made in 2008.
Maybe the intro is also of use in a series-page. (We indeed do those, like Osho Life Essentials (series). The page-names all end with " (series)".)
But "Nov 1981 - Feb 1982" is of course different from "early 1981".
The other two books in the series have no dating info in their first two editions. --Sugit (talk) 19:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Well isn't that something! So, according to Devageet's intro, Parmartha was right. But according to Abhi's intro, it was late 1981 at the ranch, closer to Rudra's dates. One might say that Devageet was personally there and therefore more reliable, but it is not at all unlikely that, in the era of the first publication, Devageet may have felt constrained to set the talks prior to Osho's silent period, or this could have been one of the changes made by "the publisher," ie Sheela. And one might find it difficult to imagine that Abhi in his time would have a reason to make something up that contradicted Devageet's account.
Not that such inspired analysis nails it. I'd say we are still left with a nebulosity for dates, but it does seem that they all came together in one stretch, in the order stated. And in fact Devageet's version would entail cramming an awful lot of sessions into the already fairly busy time in Pune One before the silent period, so best to stick with the current version at least provisionally. I'll bang something together for a "series" page. -- doofus-9 (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
I re-checked the intro to Books I Have Loved (1998), where it seems that Devageet says it all happened at the Ranch. Does that give extra info? --Sugit (talk) 09:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
It certainly does. We can always doubt one version or another based on our whatever current conspiracy theory but really we can't know and in the end have to choose. The Ranch version has a lot more going for it, especially now that Devageet has revised himself. -- doofus-9 (talk) 18:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
i took my dates from Satrakshita;s website at
http://www.satrakshita.com/lectures.htm
no idea where he got his info from. Sugit could ask him. --Rudra (talk) 05:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
btw... a bit about Kip's Castle --Rudra (talk) 00:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I had a conversation with Satrakshita about his sources. He says that this comes from a database that has been published by Sw. Anand Rudra. On my reply that Rudra says that he has it from Satrakshita, he says:
- Ha ha, I did not know he had it from me. Anyway, so now there are two reliable sources that you can refer to ;-)
--Sugit (talk) 11:05, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh god, haven't laughed so much in a long time :))--Rudra (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Ha ha indeed. Well, one of them got it from somewhere (the ether?) and the other copied, and now we have "reliable". Still better than nothing though and fits with the rest of it. -- doofus-9 (talk) 17:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
so it's settled. it's the ranch...
"Back at the house, Osho was having a lot of trouble with His teeth. He had nine root canals and while this treatment was happening He, of course, made the best of it, and while under the influence of the dentist's gas, He talked. It was not an easy task for Osho's dentist, Devageet, to work on a mouth that is most of the time moving. Osho talked three books worth. We realised that something was worth recording here, and so recorded all He said. The three books, Glimpses of a Golden Childhood, Books I Have Loved, and Notes of a Madman are extraordinary."
- (Shunyo, Diamond Days with Osho, p 74)
--Rudra (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
